GFK039: A child’s relationship with God through the years (chat with our daughter Faith)

Hey friends, welcome back. We are glad to have you with us again here on God Fearing Kids and the Parents Who Raise Them. I’m Cary Green. And I’m Mindyi And she is my wife, in case you didn’t know that. I gladly say that.
And I’m blessed by being your wife.
Thank you. It’s a blessing to have you. All right. So we have a special guest, our very first guest on the podcast. This is a moment to stay.
She’s a very special guest.
That’s right. A very special guest. This is our youngest daughter, Faith, who as of this recording is 20 years old, and she’s a student in college. So welcome, Faith.
Hello. Thank you. Glad to be here.
I’m very glad that you are here. Faith is actually packing up and going back to school tomorrow.
So we thought if we’re going to record this, we should do it.
And it’s going to be a good conversation.
It’s not easy to get free time out of their busy schedules nowadays.
They’re all scattered and very busy.
Yeah, for sure. So we’re definitely feel privileged to do this, Faith. So thank you.
Yeah. I’m glad we made time for it. Yeah, me too.
Well, what we wanted to talk about was parenting and how things happened in our home and all but not really with a desire to focus on what we did or how we did it, but more on.

[1:53] Faith’s perspective as the child growing up in the home. What was it like? I think for parents it might be helpful to think in a way that’s kind of inside the child’s head, you know, being able to hear their insights and perspective on what they experienced. So, I don’t really know the best way to start on this. Faith, why don’t you just tell us a general overview from just in in your own words of what it was like growing up in our home.

Faith’s perspective growing up in our home

[2:17] You were the youngest of five siblings and you’re quite a bit younger than your older brother.
So kind of describe the scenario and the setting and what it was like for you growing up in our home.
Well obviously being the youngest sibling I feel like my childhood was a constant looking up to.

[2:34] The family unit already there and my siblings interacting and living their life and doing, their things and so it was a constant just evaluation of that and what they were doing and.

[2:44] You know seeing what I liked and what I wanted to do as well and you know seeing them interact with each other and I think learning how to be a fit of that. I don’t think I intentionally ever It was like, how can I fit in?
But, you know, in the back of my mind, I think the youngest child always does that in a way.
But thankfully me and Caleb, the one above me, he’s just four years older, which could seem like a big gap, but thankfully we’re really close.
And he was my playmate. And even though he was a, he’s a boy, I’m a girl, you know, we’d bond over Legos and so we’d never had any trouble playing and it was a really good experience.
Yeah.

[3:20] And growing up I feel like it’s just good memories all the way around and I feel like life at home was just me living my kid life, enjoying playing, enjoying school. I always enjoyed school and living within the family unit. I just remember having weekly family nights which was good and I always looked forward to that and sharing times and being homeschooled. I just feel like most of my childhood, at least early childhood, I just remember being at home and playing with Caleb and with my older siblings and going to town, going to the library, you know, playdates with friends.
So, I feel like just the typical happy childhood is how I remember it.

The importance and impact of family time

[3:58] Pete That’s great. Now, you mentioned family times, and we’ve talked about that on the podcast already, but from your perspective, why don’t you describe family time and what that was like for you and how you viewed the importance of it?
Melissa Well, it’s cool thinking back. I haven’t intentionally thought about family times for a while because we haven’t, you know, had them every week for quite a bit. It’s been a long time. But I remember it was just always a good time.

[4:23] I felt like it was a reset after a week. Kind of like a heart-to-heart with the whole family.
Because I remember sometimes, you know, as little kids do, you want to play. You’re kind of like, oh, it’s family time. But I always remember, like, if I’d feel that way, then I’d be like, no, but like, this is really great. And I love what we talk about. And you, mom and dad, would ask, like, intentional questions. I think we’d go around the circle, maybe. How can we pray for each other, that kind of stuff. We’d have like Bible study times. I remember we’d always be in a book of the Bible and next week we’d be like in the next chapter. So, something to look forward to and I think the fact that it was structured was good and I think the The older I got, the more I really appreciated it as well.

[5:02] But I do remember really enjoying it and really loving Bible study and You mom and dad just the initiative you took we didn’t just read a chapter dad, You didn’t say just your thing you thought about it and that was it you’d ask questions What do you think like we’d read a few verses and then you’d be like, what do you think about it?
So I always felt freedom to share and you know, we could Say what we thought about what someone shared and that kind of stuff. So I always felt like everyone was included and And even with the issue of sometimes dreading family times as a little kid, you know, it’s like a serious time, like church, where you have to sit down and you have to talk about serious things and you can’t be goofy.
But I feel like, especially because I’m such a deep thinker, I feel like when I’d feel that way from mom, your parenting especially, like the way you’d tell me to think about anything, you probably told me at one point, like, family time is a good time just to like get closer to the Lord and get closer as a family.
So I remember that stuck in my head, and so every time I kind of dreaded it, I was like, no, I’m excited for this. This is to get closer as a family.
And so I’m glad I always really enjoyed it.
And you stuck it out. You made it a good experience.
That’s great.
Well, I wanted to ask a very big question.

[6:17] It’s very important to many parents who are Christians and want to raise their kids to love the Lord, because right now at 20 years old, you have a relationship with the Lord and you read your Bible and study it most every day, and you’re enjoying Bible school, getting deeper into things, and what was helpful in getting you to this point where you have a personal relationship with Jesus all on your own?
What stands out to you? Because parents who are raising their children right now to love the Lord, you know, we as parents always have it in the back of our minds.
Is this really taking, is my kid getting it, and are they going to have a relationship on their own when they leave the home?
And that’s what parents always hope and pray for.
So if you can think of things that stand out to you that could be an encouragement to those parents who are listening, that would be great.
Well, that’s a very good question. And I’ve thought about that a lot lately, just in general and in preparation for this.
But you know, when someone asks you to share your testimony, it’s like, how did I really connect with the Lord? When did I accept it in my heart?
Of those you know major things.
And I think I’ve always from what I can remember because I was young when I became a believer like five or six Um, you’re three, Last time I said I was four. You’re like no you were five No, I was three. You were three. I have it written down.

The Presence of God in Childhood Memories

[7:44] Okay, maybe that’s why it’s such a foggy memory, okay, I guess I was three sorry, that’s great, so basically my whole life my whole memory I can just, I just remember the presence of God being there, and I think He always felt really close to me and close to my heart.
And obviously, that’s God’s doing. Praise God, and that’s Him and that’s the Holy Spirit being close to me.
But I think that reality was such a true thing to me constantly.
I never didn’t feel it because of how you, Mom and Dad, talked about God all the time.
Like, He was always in every conversation, you know, not like, let’s go to the store because God wants us to.” It was like something encouraging happened and you’re like, oh, praise the Lord, He did it in you because you asked Him, or something like that.
And so, you always mentioned God and gave credit to God and you’d always say, like when I’d be struggling with something or fighting some bad habit or something, you’d always point it to God and ask God to help you because He will, and those kinds of things.
And so, I think because you talked of Him as a real person and personally.

[8:50] That I never felt like he was just some God up there.
And that really helped me. I think, obviously, when you’re a little three, four, five-year-old, and you just hear that all the time, it’s just a reality to you, and he’s just there, and he’s your father, your loving father, because your parents always talk to you about him that way.
You know, he’s represented that way, because that’s how he is, and because you’re in the word, and your parents encourage you and your siblings to talk about God with each other.
So I think that was a huge part of it, And then as far as like being in the word.

Developing Love for Reading the Bible

[9:22] I think it’s because I felt so close to the Lord, I felt like it was easier to, but also sometimes it would feel like a chore.
It’s cool, like, remembering back and thinking through, like, how did these things develop and how did I grow to love being in the Bible?
You know, I don’t really think about it, but I remember, I think you, Mom, and I know you, Dad, too, would, like, constantly say, like, I think especially as I was younger and we were getting into the groove of, like, doing a quiet time every day, which you had, like, as part of our schedule, We’d do it first thing in the morning or you like constantly would remind us like, it’s not a chore and we want to do it because we love the Lord and because He’s our best friend and we can’t live life right without Him.
So like, reading the Bible is such a joyful thing and so we want to do it.
And even if we don’t feel like it, it’s obeying Him to do it.
And we can say, God, even though I don’t feel like doing my quiet time, I love you, so I’m going to, and I know that you’ll help me to enjoy it.
And I know I’ll learn from you.
And so, hearing those things like over and over and over again just kind of embedded in me.
This isn’t taxing at all. I remember there were times.

[10:26] There was one time I really didn’t want to do my quiet time. I think the reading just sounded so taxing to my little seven-year-old brain or something, reading the Bible. And so, I just like got out shells from our vacation and was like, this will be a good quiet time because I can admire the shells and thank God for that. And that was kind of my cheat way of getting out of it. But, you know, like, I think that shows my little kid heart was realizing it’s not just about reading a chapter a day or something.
Pete Right, right. Exactly.
Mael Yeah, I think that’s a big part and I think now I’m really seeing as I learn things through life, like, how much the Word of God is really helpful and how much it means and how encouraging it is. So, I really look forward to it every day.
Pete That’s wonderful.
Jared Well, let me make a few comments based some things you said there just for the sake of listeners.
When faith says that we’re always talking about God and bringing him into things.
From our perspective, we were doing that so that we were, so to speak, pulling back the curtain and revealing the reality of God being there for our kids. We wanted them to recognize that He was there. He is a part of our reality every day. And so as Faith was expressing that, it just did my heart good to hear that that’s what happened in her. She saw Him as a part of everything.
And then another thing that she said, the attitude about reading the scriptures in the quiet time and the way we would communicate it. The purpose behind that was helping our kids develop.

[11:51] Right attitudes about learning and about growing in the Lord because we all have to do that.
Even as adults, we have resistance at times to the things we should do and we need someone to help us think rightly about it and that’s what so much of scripture is, is our brothers and sisters in the Lord who God inspired to write down verses encouraging us in the right mindset to have and the right way to approach it.
Beth Dombkowski Yeah, I love that you brought that up, because any of us would agree that things that are good in life, there’s times when they become taxing or a chore, I mean, for example, trying to be healthy so that we don’t come down with heart disease or cancer or something like that.
There’s times where we’re just like, I just want that, you know, that cupcake, or, you know, again, I want a second one or, you know, whatever.
And we have to use self-control and anyone, non-believers alike, we all know that there’s times when good things feel bad because we kind of get weary of that or we just want to break or whatever.
And the thing about learning to have a relationship with the Lord and learning to read his word on a regular basis and praying, that’s the best thing we could do for our lives as a Christian.
But we’re tempted as believers, or just as human beings, to say, oh, this is a chore.

[13:14] I feel like I have to do this. I don’t want to have to feel that way to spend time with God, so I’m not going to.
I want the freedom in it.
And we push against that many times. Parenting with your children, the kids will turn around and say, having a relationship with the Lord is a bad thing, because I have to read my Bible, because I have to obey.

[13:34] And that’s a lot of why we would try to speak to our children about the attitude behind it, how it’s a good thing, even though at times it’s hard, even though at times we don’t want to obey or do the right thing.
Yeah, and on top of that, I’m also remembering how strongly you guys would say those things.
But I also remember specific times when I was little being like, mommy, I don’t wanna do my quiet time whatever.
I’m busy, I just kind of want to get up and start reading or go play or do school, you know?”, And you’d think, you’d be like, well, you have to.
I remember there are certain times you’d be like, it’s okay if you don’t take your quiet time every single day, like as long as you pray to the Lord because He’s your friend and He understands if you can’t read it.
It’s just about the relationship with Him.
And so that’s always so, especially encouraging like, I think when I’m an adult too and you’re really busy, you’re like, I didn’t read the Bible today.
You’re not the worst person in the world. It’s fine.
You just want to make sure your heart’s right before God and you’re still praying to Him and you’re still acknowledging Him and like, you can’t live without Him.
It brings the balance, right?
Yeah, and I appreciate hearing that too. Let me make a little caveat about that though.
Our human nature is so fickle and so deceptive. I mean, we can easily deceive ourselves and so, I would just caution, though that attitude is totally healthy and we should feel that way.

[14:54] If we notice ourselves making that same allowance day after day after day after day, there’s something else happening deep in your soul where you’re losing your love for the thing that brings you life. And so, we just have to monitor ourselves as human beings that we’re being honest before the Lord about where our heart is concerning Him.
KPT – Yeah, at different times in life, it could become an issue. Other times, it could be just the relief we need so that we’re not living out of legalism, but we’re living out of love for God.
God. Yeah. Now, Faith, talk to me for a moment about the role that example played in your life as you saw older brothers and sisters walking with the Lord, as you saw mom and I walking with the Lord.
How do you think those things impacted your psyche from the time, you know, from your earliest memories all the way till now and impacted your heart.

Observing older siblings’ relationship with the Lord

[15:43] Yeah that’s good to think about. I think growing up with most of us siblings in the home for the first few years I remember and then just seeing a lot of my older siblings remembering them in their teenage years and things, I think the teenage years are when you like really develop those habits like by yourself and like having time with the Lord and building your relationship with Him as more of an adult. And so I think seeing that in my older siblings was helpful because I never really thought about this clearly like wow like, Melinda really does have her own relationship with the Lord because I see her reading her Bible or you know she talks about the things she does to pursue the Lord I just like saw those things happen and so, like you said how it affects my psyche without a doubt I know it did affect it because as a little kid I could see it’s not just what you guys taught us to do like my older brother who’s 19 years old when I’m this little 8-year-old and I really respect him, like, he’s going to have his quiet time and he’s busy and has a full-time job, but he’s still doing it, you know?
And so, I feel like observing those things did solidify in a little child brain that this is a good thing and it’s possible and like, the Lord is real.
It’s not just this thing mom and dad says to do.
And did you see example in just their day-to-day life and how they treated you, treated your their friends? Did you see good example in their behavior?

[17:13] Yeah, for sure. I’m trying to think.

[17:16] This is kind of off the script because we’re such just like a close family, you know, like, I’d see their struggles and I’d see their weaknesses, but I also see their strengths and them loving and them intentionally reaching out to me as a younger kid and stuff like that.
And so I feel like I saw both sides. It helped me to see the real life part of it of, how my older siblings do love the Lord and want to grow in Him and, and yeah, love their family and love their friends and And I do remember as my older siblings grew older, and would talk to me about their job experiences and hard things or learning to manage their shop or whatever they were doing, respecting them more and more because they would do these hard things or they’d say how God taught them about this.
So yeah, I think definitely watching my older siblings is a great, great example.

Importance of confession and openness within the family

[18:06] So how important or effective was it that we had times of confession with one another.
There were times when we did as a family, we talked about things, confessing to you kids about things, or we would have you kids work it out in front of all of us or in front of one other sibling.
We didn’t hide that.

[18:30] We weren’t afraid of quote unquote shaming you kids by bringing a wrong that you did, if it was something that was done in front of everybody else.
Was that a good thing, do you think?
Absolutely. It’s just living life together and being the true body of Christ to want to be more like God and God.
Yeah, I remember so many times, just, you know, one of you guys coming and confessing to us kids about things, like.

[18:57] I think I have an ingrained dad, like, the couple times, not the couple times, like, you’re the perfect dad, but, you know, like, when you’d come and just apologize for something that you said that could have hurt us, or that we were hurt by, like, being like, wow, dad, even dad is coming, like, that just showed, like, humility and like wanting to do right before the Lord. And yeah, I think in regards to that.

[19:23] That confessing showed that we wanted as a family to obey the Lord, you know?
Because it wasn’t just you parents telling us kids to say sorry to your brother.
You’d say that, but you’d like help us to do it and like explain why God was grieved by it, and then we’d be grieved by it, you know? But not only that, you guys would confess to us.
For example, you and dad would be disagreeing about something or something and then after the fact, one of you guys or both of you would come to us and apologize for the ways that you had sinned against each other because we had been in the room and you didn’t want us to have the wrong impression or you wanted us to know that you were sorry.
And that we made it right with each other. Yeah, that you made it right with each other and like who was in the wrong and why it was wrong.
And, you know, so I just think that’s really meant a lot. Let me ask you something about that.

Addressing the concern of burdening children with parental conflicts

[20:12] I know there are parental coaches and teachers who would say that is putting too much burden on your child.
Your child should not have to carry the emotional weight of your conflicts and your issues and you should protect them from that.
As a 20 year old now who was allowed to see those things and to be a part of them, how do you respond to that sort of an assertion?

[20:37] Yeah, well, I’d say first off, if you guys had had some, I don’t know, argument or disagreement, no one was around, I don’t think you’d bring it up unless it was important and you learned a big lesson from it and you wanted to tell us kids because you worked it out by yourselves.
And you’re right about that, let me see. But the main point here is, if the kids in the room hearing their parents argue about something, they’re gonna draw conclusions whether they know it or not.
And they’re going to think things about their parents or draw conclusions about what’s right or wrong.
And I’m just reading a book that’s just making me think about that.
You’re always making conclusions about things, especially as a little kid about the world and about life.
And if you guys hadn’t said those things, I might have started having these impressions that…

[21:21] I don’t know just about my parents and that they didn’t like each other because they were annoyed that one time or you know something like that something that I think you bring up just to clear the air in case we thought something is really good and it doesn’t add burden it takes off the burden because you’re not asking the child to do anything you’d be like I’m sorry about this I forgive you I was wrong and then the child is like oh okay and they have clarity even if they’re a burden by it or not, you know? Yeah. Thank you for that. I want to just highlight something for the sake of the parents listening. Part of the reason that Mindy and I committed to that is because we not in a pretentious or false way wanted our kids to think the best of each of us.

[22:04] I wanted them to have the best opinion of their mom possible, even though knowing she’s a human being and has flaws and all that, that I didn’t want that potential bad attitude about their mom Rising up because I had treated her badly and criticized her in front of them. And then I never said anything about mm-hmm Yeah, and vice versa, And so I just encourage you couples who are listening have that in mind because the way you treat each other is going to, Influence how your kids view that opposite partner in your relationship And I would say also like especially parent to have very sensitive kids and you know They have more of a sensitive heart. I was definitely such a sensitive little kid I am more sensitive than other people and like a very deep thinker as a kid.
And so like, if I heard any argument or disagreement between my parents, I wouldn’t just brush it off.
Like, I know some kids would just brush it off.
It might not affect them as much, but I think I’d always think through things and like, remember things that were said and, you know, think about it and try, to figure out what they meant by that, you know?
So obviously it’s not like every single word you say, you need to be like correcting with your kids.
That wasn’t quite right. I’m sorry, but like big things and conversations your kids hear like they might be really thinking about you know, right?
Yeah, that’s kind of where I was coming from too during those times, like if there was a time when your dad would hurt me and it happened right then in front of you kids and.

[23:30] We talked about it. Dad finds out how he hurt me. He says he’s sorry. I forgive him, And I know there were times when I would go back to you kids who might have heard that and tell you how I just love your dad, how he has such a humble heart.
And I really respect him because he is so quick to apologize when he sees that he hurts me.
Because I want you kids to think very well of him and to see, yeah, he hurt me.
That’s just life. But the fact that he so quickly apologized and he responded back to me in love, I want especially daughters to see that as a good quality for when you’re looking for your husband.
You want a man who has a humble heart. So I mean, there’s just like Dad was saying, like Carrie was saying, we wanted you kids to think rightly about us. We wanted you to think well of us and not gradually be developing these bad habits that you will do when you’re a wife or when our sons or husbands, there’s so much involved there that the kids can pick up on.
On. And so, we are very thankful that the Lord helped us in talking through those things when they would happen. I mean, of course, if we had some big fights, we would tell the kids, we need to go to the room and work this out. And so, we would, I mean, there’s no reason for our kids to hear all that stuff. And in that situation, that can become too much of a burden.

The Burden on Kids and Describing a Sensitive Personality

[24:55] Pete Yeah. Jared Yeah.

[24:56] Paul And especially involving your kids, what do you think, you know, in this and that? That’s a burden they shouldn’t be taking.
Jared Yeah, and that’s putting them in a position that no child should have to bear because the parents are responsible for their relationship. It should be mature even if they’re fighting. Well, Faith, you brought up something that I think would be a good topic for us to dig into a bit. You mentioned that your personality is more of a sensitive personality. You can’t necessarily speak to what parents should be thinking about kids who aren’t like you, but let’s use that description of your personality. How would you describe yourself?
And then do you have any advice for parents about kids who are like you? What might they think.

[25:38] About the way they parent a child like that? Yeah, for sure. I think first off, I say sensitive, but I don’t think it’s sensitive as in like any little thing will hurt my feelings sensitive.
More of like I’m such a deep thinker and as a little kid I was such a deep thinker and, there would be phases, I remember like phases of my life where I just couldn’t stop wiping the counters or doing the dishes because every little thing had to be right because I was learning how to clean the house and so my picky deep thinking brain had to do it the best way or it didn’t do it you know things like that where I just like take it to the other extreme while I was learning you know instead of like someone who’s just free floating you know like some of my siblings just wipe the counter for five seconds leave all these crumbs it’s good you know I would be the complete opposite.
Do you remember I would tell you you can only spend 10 minutes in the bathroom and if you did it longer you would get in trouble, Me I was like, oh if mom says that it’s fine So yeah but if you have a kid who is a very deep thinker and very like analytical and and thinks about all these things and you know emotional and.

Embracing and Balancing a Sensitive Child’s Personality

[26:48] Has trouble with little things or takes things to the extreme.
I think it’s good first off, like especially as you’re growing older, and hearing advice from people around them or verbiage from friends to like assure them that is not a bad thing.
And it’s good that they’re that way because that means they probably have a very sensitive heart to the Lord.
And like I remember feeling like constantly saying, I’m such an overthinker, I need to stop overthinking.
And I think that was partly my culture and my friends around me who was like, I’m just an overthinker, I just need to live in the moment, you know?
And I’m still fighting to live in the moment how I need to, because my personality can quote-unquote overthink.

[27:29] But I remember you mom saying, stop saying that’s a bad thing, stop saying you’re an overthinker.
God wants us to think a lot. God wants us to take our thoughts captive.
We need to like, be on guard.
And so, if anything, it’s better to be an overthinker, because you want to constantly be thinking about if you’re, you know, living rightly before the Lord, you don’t want to just blow over it and not be thinking about it and not be caring about it.
So, I think that’s good. Definitely tell your kid that. Just assure them their personality is not bad. There’s not something wrong with them, but also that balance of telling them when they are being too overboard with it, you know, and encouraging them in it being like, I love your your heart, but this is a good balance.
Like the example of only 10 minutes to clean the bathroom and then you’re good and you don’t need to worry about it.
Like I think saying things about, you don’t need to worry about it and I love you.
Even if there’s a smudge on the mirror, I still love you and it’s fine.
And if it’s been 10 minutes, you don’t have to worry about it.
Just saying things like that, that are obvious and that you as a parent think is obvious, I think helps the very sensitive kids.
And those comments definitely helped me.

[28:38] Good, good. Yeah, and that’s good. And I think parents just hear what faith’s saying as a kid by kid situation.
I mean, you shouldn’t say, oh, well, we should make a rule that the kids should only clean the bathroom for 10 minutes.
No, you may have a kid who needs to spend 20 because he’s not very detail-oriented and he needs to learn how to pay attention, you know? So it’s a kid by kid thing.
And you just have to apply the wisdom the Lord gives you in how to handle that child.

[29:03] And in all this, We’re trying to teach them to think as God thinks.

[29:07] Something Mindy has said often is that there’s no such thing as a neutral perspective on things.
God has an opinion and we need to find God’s opinion and learn how to apply and adapt that to the situation that we’re in. And also know that God doesn’t always reveal His opinion to us at any given moment and so therefore we need to wait patiently. That’s right.

[29:29] It will come in time. We don’t have to know it right at the moment. Faith, you’ve been such a blessing sharing with us, and I know you will be a blessing to the parents listening. Thank you so much, honey. I hope it is. I know it will be. It’s just God’s faithfulness that we’re sharing and his insight and wisdom, and we’re just wanting to pass on what God did in us and through us and what he’s doing in you. Yeah, it’s been great being able to reflect and really think and talk through, you know, how God, you know, led y’all to teach me and how I’ve grown. And obviously, There’s been the imperfections in your parenting, but I’m really grateful.
Give glory to God for how He’s helped you too. And I can definitely attribute my closeness to God to that. Amen.
We boast in the Lord, right? That’s right.
Well, Faith, we normally wrap up our episodes by praying for our listeners and praying about the subject matter. Would you mind praying for the parents who are listening?

[30:23] Yeah. Dear God, thank you so much for being so good and just for being so good to teach us and to want us to live rightly and wisely before you and thank you for this time to be able to, talk with my parents and just reflect on how they’ve parented me specifically and I pray that you will use this conversation to really bless all the parents or soon-to-be parents or even people who aren’t parents. Just really bless them to see your heart and hope anything that’s not according to your will or truth to not grab them and them to by your holy spirit really hear and learn from your truths and be encouraged that it is possible to teach their kids to love the lord because I, have definitely seen that and I’ve seen your faithfulness in that through my mom and dad’s parenting. So I pray that you will encourage people to your goal.